Episode 7 - The Cold Shoulder === Pat: [00:00:00] Hello and welcome to English with Pat and Pops. I'm Pat... Pops: I'm Pops. Pat: And we're talking to you from Boynton Beach, Florida... Pops: And Torremolinos, Spain. Pat: Oh, that's right. This is our first international podcast. Pops: Yeah, it is. Boy, we're, we've overcome the technology challenges. I don't know how we did it, but we did. Pat: Well, yeah, we've, we've started to overcome them. We'll, we'll see here. Pops: We'll try. We're trying. Pat: Yeah. So let's, let's get into it. Uh, let's jump into the word of the week. What do we have? Pops: Ostracize. Pat: What was that one? Pops: That means... ostracize. Pat: Yeah. Pops: ...Means to exclude someone from a society or a group. Pat: Yeah. To ostracize is to sort of kick someone out, right? Pops: Yeah. Kind of ignore them. They're not a part of the group that you're, or the group or the meeting or whatever it would be, whatever kind of interaction. Pat: Yeah. And for some reason I always, [00:01:00] I always think, I almost take it to the extreme and I think of, you know, back in ancient times when you, when they sort of kick someone out of their whole society or their town and you know, they kicked them outside of the city walls, right? Pops: Yeah. Yeah. They, that, that type of thing. I actually... like the old, uh, in the old religions, people were ostracized because they didn't follow the doctrine, you know, that was supposedly given down and things like that, so, yeah. Pat: Yeah. Yeah. When, if you think a little bit differently, you're not part of the group, right? Pops: Right. You, you separated. Another one is shunned, whatever. You know, you're kind of put off. Pat: Yeah. Pops: Put out. Pat: Yeah. To be shunned. To be shunned from a group, ostracized. Pops: Mm-hmm. Pat: Yeah. Pops: That's right. Yeah. Pat: Um, so let's jump into this week's episode. Uh... Pops: Great, let's go. Pat: I was reading a, uh, a, an article that this, this university, Lake Superior State University, publishes every year. And it's on the, the, [00:02:00] they, they make a list of banned words. Um, so they, they basically take a poll, uh, actually, you know, not even just throughout the country, throughout the United States, but throughout the world. And people vote on these 10 words that they would no longer like to see in, uh, people's vocabulary. And that's either, that's either because the words are being misused or overused or they're just no longer useful. And it's, it's sort of a, it's sort of a funny list. And looking at them, I think maybe you notice, Pops, that a lot of them, a lot of them we use. Pops: Yeah, there's a couple on it that I have some stories about, but that's, we'll get into that. Pat: Yeah, it worried me a little bit, uh, when your, when your English teachers are using words on the banned list, but, uh, you know what, the, the one good thing you know, I'll just say is that if you're using these words or if you're, you know, you've heard them here, then you're, then you're at least sounding like a native speaker, right? Because they're getting, they're getting banned for a reason. Too many [00:03:00] people are using them. Pops: Too many people... becoming too common, I guess. Pat: Yeah. Pops: You know, too common, too, too commonly used. Yeah. Pat: Yeah. So, all right, let's start, let's get into it. Let's start with, so number 10 on the list. So some of these, I should say, are phrases. They're not all just one, one word. But, uh, number 10 on the list is, "it is what it is." Pops: Yeah, that's one that I use a lot. Pat: Yeah. I actually, when I, when I saw that on the list, I thought of you immediately. Honestly... Pops: That figures. Pat: Yeah. Pops: Canceled. Pat: Yeah. Pops: Canceled. Pat: Um, but yeah, so that's, that's, uh, a phrase if you haven't heard Pops or I say it. Um, it's just, it's sort of when you have no further explanation, right? For something... you just kind of say, "it is what it is." Like you're, you're either tired of explaining it or there's nothing left to say. Pops: Yeah, it's just, it, yeah. There's not gonna change. So why, why do anything about it? Why say anymore about it? Yeah. It's... Pat: Yeah. Pops: It's, it is what it is. Pat: Exactly. Yeah. And, [00:04:00] uh, I, I mean, my, my thinking is that this probably got banned just for, for overuse or it's, it's on the, it made the list for... because you know, so many people say it, and it's, and I mean, you can make the argument that it's, it's a bit lazy, right? Like you don't really want to form an argument anymore. You're just, you're done with it and you're saying, look, it is what it is. Pops: Yeah. You don't wanna agree. You don't want to, you know, and, but you just don't wanna carry it on. Pat: Yeah. Pops: So, yeah, you're just kind of, it's, it's, you're just kind of like, eh, who... I don't care. You know, I don't care to fight it. Pat: Yeah. Pops: You know? So, yeah. Pat: So... Pops: This thing goes back a long time, though. It's, it's been, been around forever, so yeah. Pat: The list. Pops: Uh, the, well, the, the, "it is what it is." It's been around for quite a while. Pat: Oh yeah. Pops: So, you know... Pat: The phrase. Pops: Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. The phrase has, so I guess they just finally got tired of it. Pat: Yeah. I guess... Pops: They finally said, enough is enough and it is what it is. Let's move it on. Pat: Yeah. I think, I think... "it is what it is." Yeah. I think maybe they started listening to the podcast and... our podcast and said, look, [00:05:00] we gotta, we gotta stop this Pops guy. Pops: We gotta, we gotta put him, put a hold on him. Pat: Yeah. So what do you, what do you think about this one though? Should it be banned? Should it be on the list or no? Pops: It's gonna be tough for me to ban it. I gotta tell you. Pat: Yeah. Pops: It's, it's, it's pretty, it is ingrained in my vocabulary. Pat: Yeah. I, I kind of like this one, so I wish it wasn't on the list, but, hey. Pops: Yeah, I do too. Pat: Maybe. Yeah, we don't make the rules. So... Pops: We don't, but I'll try to use it less frequently though. Pat: Yeah. Pops: How about that. Pat: We'll see about that. Yeah. Pops: Yeah. Pat: Um, alright, so let's move on to number nine. Uh, this is another super common word. Absolutely. Pops: Mm-hmm. Pat: And... Pops: Yeah. Pat: You know, my... Pops: This, this one kind of... weird to me, but, okay. Yeah. Pat: Well, I think, I think, again, this is just like, it's, it's a very useful word, I would say, but I think probably the argument here is that, you know, people aren't using it in its true sense. You're just, again, it's sort of like "it is what it is," in that people just say [00:06:00] "absolutely" after you say something, even if they don't absolutely or totally agree with you. It's just sort of a reaction. Pops: Right. Pat: Right? Pops: Yeah. It's just a, an easy way to say "yes" or I guess, or just kind of seem like they're paying attention to you. Pat: Yeah. Pops: So when you're talking, so, yeah. Pat: Well that's, I think that's it. I think that's probably why it's getting banned. And I, I noticed that in people too. You know, you can sort of, you can talk a blue streak as they say, or you could, you can be talking for a while and feel like you're making a lot of good points, and then the person you're talking to is, isn't really paying attention. And at the end of it, they sort of say, yeah, absolutely. You know, it's, it's almost, it's almost a tell that they're not listening to you at this point. Pops: Yeah. Yeah. You're absolutely not listening to this... Pat: Yeah. Pops: ...what I just said. Yeah. Pat: So what, what do you think about this one? Should that be on the list or not? Pops: I, I'm kind of thinking this one stays, this one shouldn't be on the list, but that's just me. Pat: Should not. Pops: You know, should not be on the list. Pat: Hmm. Pops: Yeah. I, I, I'd keep it, I don't know. What do you think? Pat: I think... my vote for this one [00:07:00] is, I like, I like that it's on the list. I think, uh, just because, I don't know, I feel like I've had some situations prior where, you know, I'd like people to actually listen to me. So I, I think, I think I'm, you know, I'm a little tainted in this because I have some memories of people saying "absolutely" to me when they're, you know, they weren't listening. Pops: I think they left you with a bad taste. Pat: Yeah. Pops: Those.... Pat: So, uh... Pops: Oh, boy. Pat: All right. Let's move on to number eight. We have, "irregardless." Pops: And this is one I don't use, so to me, eh, you know, this can be on the list, but you know, I, I... Pat: So... Pops: Yeah. Pat: This really, this isn't, "irregardless" isn't technically a word... is not a word. Um, I was actually looking online and I, I noticed that a lot, some dictionaries actually put it in there. I think it's one of those words that they sort of adopted later. Like, because people use "irregardless" to mean regardless, right? Pops: Right. Pat: Like, like [00:08:00] regardless, as in "anyway," right? Pops: Mm-hmm. Right. Yes. Pat: So I think like some dictionaries actually put it in there, and now I think a lot of people use it, not for that reason. It's not like they're reading the dictionary and they go, oh, this is a word. Let me put it in. It's more just confusion and over time it's sort of been adopted, but... Pops: Right. Pat: Um, this is one, obviously, it's on the, the banned words list because it's, it's not technically a word and it's just sort of, you know, bad speech. And over time people develop bad habits. Pops: Right. It's just, it's just got picked up in conversation, I guess. And it's been used. Pat: Yeah. Pops: So, yeah. Pat: Um, so this one, this one, I'm fine with it being on the list. I really, I hate to hear it when people say it.. Pops: Mm-hmm. Yeah. So... Pat: Are you on the same, you think the same? Pops: I'm on the same, I'm on the same page. This one to me is, eh, I, I, I don't use it. So... Pat: It can go. Pops: Ban it. Pat: Yeah. Ban it. Pops: Ban it, outta here. Pat: All right. Pops has spoken. Um, okay, so number seven, we got another phrase here. "Does [00:09:00] that make sense?" Pops: Hm. Huh. Pat: So this one, I mean, if, if you break down the words, it's a, it's a completely fine question. and, you know, I, I think the reason this is on the list too is that people sort of say this again after, after they might say something to you as clearly as it could be said. They'll follow it up with, "does that make sense?" It's sort of like, um, you know, like a crutch in... Pops: Mm-hmm. Pat: We call that like a, a crutch in, in English... is like something you lean on, uh, something you say a lot that really doesn't add anything to what you're saying. Pops: Yeah. It's just kind of a filler in a, a conversation. Pat: Yeah. A filler. Pops: You know, yeah. You know, if somebody just wants to keep hearing themself talk, they might throw that in. Pat: Yeah. Pops: So, yeah. Pat: And a lot of times it's, you know, it's asked as a question, however... Pops: Mm-hmm. Pat: ...they don't, it's not, you don't want a response to it, right? Pops: Right. Yeah. It's like I said, it's just for the speaker. It's more for, [00:10:00] meant for the speaker to, you know, to, to keep talking more than it is for the listener to have a response. So.. Pat: Yeah. Pops: Yeah. Pat: Yeah. For me, this one doesn't bother me so much. So, um, you know, I, I don't necessarily agree with this one being on the list, but... Pops: No, neither do I, I, I, to me, this one doesn't bother me either way, so, yeah. Pat: Yeah. Pops: Eh, it's okay. Pat: All right. Pops: We'll keep it. Pat: Yeah. Pops: Yeah, yeah. Keep this one... our, we're gonna repost our own list, I think. Pat: Yeah, maybe we will. That's a good idea. Pops: Yeah. Pat: You know, you know, "it is what it is" isn't gonna be on that list. Pops: That sure isn't. Pat: Um, alright, so let's move on to number six. We have, yep. This is another one that's a little bit surprising to me, "amazing." Just the word, "amazing." Pops: Oh, I got a story behind this one. Pat: Oh, you do? Pops: Yeah. When I was, oh yeah I got a story. When I was in, um, uh, Morocco, the tour guide that went on to the desert with, he would constantly, uh, he would make fun of, uh, English speakers [00:11:00] because, he says, they always used "amazing." He would always make fun. And so when I, I would catch myself saying, oh, you know, look at this, uh, valley, look at this, I go, that's a... it's a... it's amazing. And he, he would just look over and smile. And so I, I, I stopped using it, uh, a lot because of him. Pat: Yeah. Pops: But he, he, because he, he would, he would just, he just would laugh all the time when anybody would use that, amazing." Cuz he, you know, he made a point of saying, you know, uh, especially Americans... Pat: Yeah. Pops: ...use it a lot. So... Pat: Yeah, I mean, from that standpoint, I can, I get it. Like I think if you're, if you're used to using it, you... one, you probably don't realize you use it. And it also, it feels like you're probably using it correctly. But if you're hearing it all the time, it's like all... you know, you must be thinking all of these things can't be amazing. Like, you know, because really, you know, I think it made, this is on the banned words list because I, you know, it's, it's overused and... Pops: Right. Pat: You know, the article actually [00:12:00] said it no longer means "dazzling." it doesn't mean what it's intended to mean anymore. People, Americans, are just saying it, saying everything's amazing. Pops: It was amazing. Right. Yeah, that's exactly what this guy said. Everything you went to was amazing. Pat: Yeah. Pops: So it's, you know, there was no differentiation between any of the things you saw, so that's what he was pointing out. So I just, it's just so funny to me that I actually changed my behavior because of this guy saying that , I caught, you know, a lot of times I'd catch myself getting ready to say something, I'd go... Pat: He shamed you. Pops: ...have to, he shamed me into coming up with another word, so... Pat: That's amazing. Pops: Yeah. Pat: Um... Pops: Got it. Pat: So anyway, I, I don't think that this one should be on the list just because I say it a lot. I like it. Pops: I do too. Pat: You know, it's, if, if it was taken out of my vocabulary, I'd, I'd have to do a lot of work and find another word, so... Pops: Yeah. Yeah. I've, I've already banned it once... one stint in my life for about two months, so I, I'm, I'm gonna keep it, I'm gonna keep it now. Pat: Yeah. That [00:13:00] Pops... It's only gonna be on the temporary ban list. Pops: Yeah. Yeah. Pat: All right. So let's move on to number five on the list, we have the phrase, "moving forward." Pops: Hmm. Pat: Now... Pops: Hmm. Pat: I think this one applies to, say, in like a, a work situation or, you know, a lot of times I remember back when I had a real job, uh... Pops: Mm-hmm. Pat: ...on the, uh, in, in sort of the, the office email chain or if you're, you know, talking with someone over emails, they say, okay, so moving forward we're going to be doing this, meaning in the future we're going to be doing this. And I will say in that sense, it got very annoying. I, I really, you know, one, maybe I was a little bit unhappy with my job, so it didn't, it didn't help , but the phrase itself, it was like, uh, really... you'd kind of roll your eyes when you heard it. Pops: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, because I'm doing most of the moving forward. Pat: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's usually after, after "moving forward" in a sentence, in, in an office email. It was usually something I had [00:14:00] to do. Right? Pops: Right, right. Yeah. Pat: Moving forward, we're gonna need you to blah, blah, blah. You know? Pops: Exactly. Yeah. It's, it's giving you, it's giving you a direct, giving you an order without actually giving you an order in a sense. Pat: Yeah. Pops: You know? Yeah. Pat: So this one, um, you know, it's, it's kind of, it's a toss up for me just because... um, I think it is a useful phrase. Like it, you know, it's a, it's a good way to say, hey, in the future we're going to be doing something, but I would like to see it stay on the list because it brings back bad memories for me of, of my old job. So.. Pops: Eh, okay. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm kind of ambivalent to this one. Pat: Ah, yeah. But this one doesn't bother you? Pops: This one doesn't bother me either way, so yeah. Pat: Okay. Pops: It can stay on the list. Yeah, that's fine. Pat: So let's, let's move on to number four then. Uh, this one, this one kind of hurt when I read this one. Pops: I know I'm kind of embarrassed a little bit about this one. Pat: Yeah. Pops: I got a little... Pat: Number four, we have gaslighting. Pops: Oh, I think we used this in a previous episode, didn't we? Pat: Yeah. If, if anyone listening... has [00:15:00] been listening to our episodes, uh, this was one of our "words of the week," um... Pops: Mm-hmm. Pat: ...and it's, it's, it's, you know, it's sort of fitting that it made this list because, you know, I remember in that episode we said, hey, you know, gaslighting is, uh, it's an, it's an older term, but it, it's come into use a lot frequently. So I, I think for that reason, it's made the list, it's overused. And the article makes the argument that when you say it now, like it, it's a, it's something pretty serious. You know, we're talking about manipulating someone in, you know, that you have a relationship with, but... Pops: Right. Pat: ...their argument is that it's so overused that people no longer take it seriously. Everyone just says, you're gaslighting me or whatever. Right? Pops: What? Right, right. I, they're gaslighting me. I think they use it in the sense that, yeah, you're just, it is not that, um, changing their behavior more or less, you're just gaslighting me in a quick situation and things like that. I think that's what... Pat: Yeah. Pops: Yeah. That's why, it's just being misused. Pat: Yeah. I think it's on the, yeah, I think it's on the [00:16:00] list. It's, it's probably misused and overused. Yeah. It's, it's, people use it in any situation they're unhappy with someone, they'll say, "you're gaslighting me." Even if that's not really the case, you know, because it's, it's a very specific, severe thing to gaslight someone. Um... Pops: Mm. Pat: ...so, yeah, so I, hey, at least we got this as our word of the week before this list was published, so we didn't know. Pops: That's true. We didn't, we didn't know at the time, so we have to plead ignorance. Right? We... Pat: Yeah. Pops: This came out after our, after our, our first episodes there. Pat: Yeah. So, yeah, don't, don't check the timestamp on that, but, uh, you know. Pops: Yeah, yeah. Pat: Don't go back and look but, uh, I'm pretty sure we're in the clear. Pops: Oh, good. Good. Pat: Okay, so if we move on, we're now, we're in the top three. Number, number three on the list. Pops: Ooh. Pat: This was one I had to look up, actually, I hadn't heard this one. Um, it's the phrase, "quiet quitting." Pops: Yes. It's, it's, uh, I saw it in an article and I was actually doing it with some of my students. Uh, it was an article I was reading to them about, you know, the [00:17:00] attitudes of, uh, the younger generation towards work and things like this. And I, that's the first time I'd come across it, which is maybe a month ago, two months ago. Yeah. Pat: Yeah. So, yeah, for anyone, um, you know, who hasn't heard it, uh, it's, it's basically, it, it's doing the minimum at your job is what it means. So you're not, you're not actually quitting your job and leaving and saying, "I quit." They call it "quiet quitting" because you just start doing the bare minimum, you really don't care, and if they fired you or let you go from your job, it wouldn't even phase you. Right? Pops: Right, right. You just, you're just, you know, doing the very, very least amount possible to get by, collect your paycheck, and if you stop collecting a paycheck, that's okay with you. Pat: Yeah. Pops: This is basically the way I kind of read it, so, you know. Yeah. Pat: Yeah. So yeah, for this one, I mean I, I hadn't even heard it before this article, so it's hard for me to vote whether or not it should be there. So I'll throw it to you, Pops. Do you think it, should it be banned or not banned? [00:18:00] Pops: I just don't like the whole thought process of it, so I'm banning it. I, I don't like.. Pat: Okay. Keep it on the list. Ban it. Pops: Yeah, ban it, ban it, keep it there. Yeah. Pat: Okay. I'm with you on that. Yeah. I don't, I don't like the idea that no, you know, people aren't doing their jobs. Right? Pops: Exactly. You know, I think, you know, we should be doing our jobs. So that's my view. Pat: Yeah. Pops: So... Pat: No, no, no quiet quitters out there. No, none of our listeners, if you're gonna quit, quit. Pops: Yeah, do it. Pat: Quit loudly. Pops: Make up your mind and just do it. Yeah. Pat: All right, so, uh, let's move on to number two. This was another one I found strange to be on the list, and especially at number two is "inflection point." Pops: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Pat: So I don't know if I've, where I've been, you know, the last couple years or whatever, but I, you know, I don't, I haven't heard many people using this, like overusing it. So an inflection point is basically a turning point, right? Pops: Uh huh. Right. Pat: It's a time, it's like when you mark the time where something changes, [00:19:00] you know, you say, oh, that was, that was the inflection point. Like a lot of times if you look back on something that happened. Pops: Right. Pat: Right? So, oh, that was the inflection point, and after that time, everything changed. Now... Pops: Mm-hmm. Pat: ...I think it's a very useful phrase. My only assumption is that it's there... this article's making the argument that it was overused. Right? Pops: I'm guessing, you know, I don't hear that many people ever use it though. I mean, maybe I've heard it in a movie or, um, but I just don't remember, uh, it being used a lot, myself. I just don't. Pat: Yeah. Pops: Hmm. Pat: Yeah. Me, me neither. So what do you, so for that one, I, I would say it shouldn't be on the list because.. Pops: I, I would, I would say I'd take it off the list because I just don't think it's that commonly used, and I kind of like the idea of the words. So... Pat: Yeah. Pops: Yeah. I like the idea, you know? Pat: I think it has a very specific meaning and it's, it's, uh, it's a good phrase. So... Pops: Yeah. Pat: Yeah. Pops: I, I, I wouldn't keep it off the list. That's for me. Yeah. Yeah. Pat: So... [00:20:00] (celebratory sound) we reached number one. Pops: Number one. It'll be interesting to get your view on this next one. So, yeah. Pat: Okay. So, um, yeah, this one is GOAT and not, of course, not meaning the animal. We're talking about the acronym. Pops: Right. Pat: That means greatest of all time. Pops: Mm-hmm. Pat: Right? So a lot of people consider different sports figures to be the GOAT, right? They talk about Michael Jordan in basketball or, you know, um... Pops: Mm-hmm. Pat: ...who? Pele in soccer or... Pops: Soccer or... Pat: ...or football. Pops: Messi. I don't know. Would you consider Messi to be a GOAT? Pat: I'm sure... Pops: I mean, Tom... Pat: Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure Messi has been called that, um, the GOAT by some, uh, at least his fans for sure. Pops: Right. Pat: But I think, I think the, actually by, by kind of, um, talking about all these guys, and you know, women too, of course, uh, Serena Williams in tennis has been called the GOAT. Pops: [00:21:00] Yes. Yeah. Pat: I think by us doing this, this is the reason it's on the list is because this, the article makes the argument that, you know, the acronym means the greatest of all time. So how can there be so many of them... is sort of the argument. Pops: Right. Pat: Like as long as... nowadays it's sort of getting to the point where as long as someone's pretty good, like good enough they're, this acronym is being used to describe them. And I think this happens with a lot of words on the list. And this happens in any language, it's just over time it starts to... the, the meaning starts to get expanded a little bit, right? Pops: Mm-hmm. Right, right. Pat: So... Pops: Yeah. Pat: I, you know, my thinking on the word in general, and then, you know, you know, you can let me know your opinion. I, I kind of like the acronym, like, I don't, I don't mind if people say it, but I do, I do think it's overused for sure. Pops: Well, well, that's my problem with it is that recently it seems like it really is overused. I, I don't know why, because you, it seems like you can't go anywhere and you're not, or, or articles... you [00:22:00] just see it constantly and um, you know, so I think recently it's, it, to me it's been overused, so it's kind of irritating to me, but, you know. Pat: Yeah. Yeah. So I mean I, I would probably vote to, to keep it on the list. I think it's, I think it's good. I think maybe, you know, I don't know about it, number one, there might be something else I'd put it number one, but, um... Pops: Right. Pat: Yeah, no, I'm, I'm fine with it, it being on the list. It, it certainly is overused. Pops: Yeah. I, I don't think it should be the number one item, but I think it could stay on the list, it should stay on the list because right now it is overused and it's, you know. Yeah. Pat: Yeah. Pops: That's my, that's my view. So, yeah. Pat: Yeah. And just to reiterate, as we were talking about right before I ran through the list here, is just so if, if you're finding yourself using these words, you probably should think of it as a good thing because, hey, you're speaking like a native speaker, right? These are getting, these, these words are getting banned for a reason, and it's, most of the, most of the time it's because, you know, the [00:23:00] people are saying that these words are being overused. So I, I, most of them I'm okay with. And, you know, I think they, I think they serve a purpose. Pops: I think they all serve a purpose. They kind of all use them. We're kind of joking around about staying or going on the list. But... Pat: Yeah. Pops: Most all of these are, are very good... very good words that can be used in conversation day in and day out. So, yeah. Pat: Yeah, I think that the important... Pops: I wouldn't stop them. Pat: Yeah. I think the important thing is just, just try to use them for their, their true meaning. You know, don't say it just to say it, but hey, that, that's what happens when you're, when you're speaking sometimes you can't be always on the top of your game. Right? Pops: Yeah, exactly. You're not always gonna be perfect. Pat: Yeah. Pops: So... Pat: We certainly know that well. Pops: Yes, we do. Pat: All right. So, yep. That was the, uh, the content for today. Let's move into the idiom. Do you have that? Pops: Uh, yes. The, oh, yeah. It's, uh, give someone the cold [00:24:00] shoulder. Pat: Yeah. To give someone the cold shoulder. So what does that mean? Pops: To treat someone in an unfriendly way, to ignore someone. Or to ignore someone. Pat: Yeah. To not be so friendly to someone or to ignore them. So, you know, it keeps with the theme of the episode, we have these words being banished and, you know, our, our word of the week was ostracized. So to give someone the cold shoulder, it's that, that feeling of, you know, you're pushing them away and um, you're just not being very friendly to them. Right? Pops: Right. Pat: So.. Pops: Yeah. Pat: Yeah. If we role play this one, let's say we're, we are, we're friends and we're walking down the street, and I notice my old boss walks by us, someone I used to work for, right? Pops: Okay. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Pat: So, um... hey, did you see that guy who just walked by? That was my old boss. Pops: Oh really? How come he didn't say anything to you? Pat: Well, he was really angry when I quit, so now he [00:25:00] just gives me the cold shoulder. Pops: That's a shame. It's, it's probably best to not say anything to him. He, he's just going to, to ignore you. Yeah. Pat: Yeah. I guess I'll, I'll, yeah, I'll keep the relationship as is. Pops: Yeah. Just keep it the way it is. Yeah. Let's keep on going. Pat: Hey at least I wasn't a quiet quitter. You know, I, I quit for real. Pops: You quit for real. Yeah. You, you gave it to 'em before you left. Yeah. Pat: Yeah. So, so that's it. Yeah. It's, it's just, you know, when someone sort of ignores you, and it's usually thought of in a way, like to give someone the cold shoulder is, you know, you have to sort of, typically you have a relationship with this person beforehand because them ignoring you is hurtful usually, right? So in this case, I had a relationship with my boss. I used to work for someone, and now all of a sudden they're ignoring me and they're not being so friendly. Pops: Right. Yeah. Pat: Yeah. Pops: Hmm. Pat: Yeah, so that's, uh, that's today's idiom. Um, Pops, do you have, did you have anything else to add or? Pops: Oh, yeah. I wanted to, [00:26:00] uh, offer to all my English students out there that happened to be listening to the podcast. Uh, I'd like to offer, uh, give a 30, uh, 30 minute free lesson to the first five people that send us a note mentioning one of the words that we discussed in the, this last episode. So if you send us a note on our website, um, I'll get back to you and schedule a free lesson on one of the platforms. Skype, Zoom, Google Hangouts, or WeChat. Pat: Okay. Pops: But we'll schedule at a time convenient for both of us. So how about that? Pat: Okay. That's cool. Pops: Little, little promotion from Pat and Pops. Pat: Yeah. Nice. Good idea. Yeah. So if, um, if you send us, uh, a message through our website, um, Pops will... and yeah what did you say? To include a word from the episode? Yeah. Pops: One, one of the words. Pat: Just reply with one of these words. Pops: One of these words that we just discussed, just put it in the message. Say you'd like your free, uh, lesson and we'll, I'll get back to you and schedule a lesson with you at, at sometime that's convenient for you. Pat: Cool. Pops: All right. Pat: Great idea. Pops: How about it? Yeah. Pat: Yeah. So as [00:27:00] always, um, you know, visit us at patandpops.com. Follow us on social media if you can, if you wanna see some more content and, uh, we appreciate you listening. Pops: Thanks a lot guys. We appreciate it. Pat: Thanks. Yeah. Catch you next time. Pops: Bye. Pat: Bye.