Episode 1 - Breaking the Ice === Pat: [00:00:00] Hello and welcome to English with Pat and Pops. I'm Pat... Pops: I'm Pops... Pat: And we're talking to you from Torremolinos, Spain. Pops, what's the forecast like today? Pops: Uh, it's sunny and beautiful, uh, 29 degrees Celsius, or 84 Fahrenheit. Wind outta the southeast at about 11 miles an hour or about 13 kph. If that's what you're, look, if that's what you're familiar with. Pat: Beautiful day. Pops: Oh, beautiful. And it looks like a continued beautiful week. Pat: Yes, sir. So let's just, I just wanna give you a quick introduction of, of who we are. We're a father and son duo. Uh, we're originally from America, from the New York area. And we moved to Spain, the Southern Spain, uh, three years ago. And now we both teach English online. Isn't that right, Pops? Pops: Yeah. We, we do that as a little hobby to fill some time, and we like to help people out, improve their English. Uh, we've had a pretty good life, so we, uh, we like to help people with theirs and, uh, help them, uh, improve their life and improve their job possibilities.[00:01:00] Pat: And that, that's kind of the, the mission of the podcast. No? Pops: Yeah, it's, uh, really our mission is to help you. Uh, speak English, help you improve your English skills to the level you wanna wanna move them to. Pat: Yeah. And we wanna do that by just giving you, you know, with every episode, hopefully a, a normal paced, native level English conversation, um, that, you know, hopefully can help you learn and we'll accompany that with, uh, transcripts to text. Um, so you can read along if you'd like. Um, for now, you'll have to get those from us through email, which we'll give you at the end of the episode. But eventually we'd like to have those available on our website, which we're in the process of rolling out, no? Pops: Yeah, we have a lot of things going on. Uh, we're just getting started here. And, uh, we're hoping we can have, uh, much more, uh, robust platform in the future to, to even bring you more opportunities to improve your English. Pat: Yeah. We'll polish it up as, as best we can. Pops: Yeah, we can. Yeah. We [00:02:00] got, we got a long way to go, right? Pat: Ah, we sure do. But we'll figure it out. So let's get into today's topic. Let's just talk about in general, since this is sort of our, our introductory episode, let's get into our experience as Americans living in Spain. So overall pops, are you enjoying your life here? Pops: Yeah, it's pretty, it's a very positive experience. Uh, one, the, the reason why I, one of the reasons why I moved here is I was retiring from work. My working career I'd worked like, uh, over 40 plus years in different... Pat: Worked your butt off. Pops: Yeah. Worked my buns off, as they say in the US. Um, worked a lot and I decided to retire, um, when I was in my sixties, my actually 62, I think it was when I retired. But, uh, uh, I'm, I'm an old geezer. That's what, uh, that's what you can take away from... Pat: There's no arguing with that Pops. But so one of the main reasons you retired here is uh, is what? Pops: Is, is really, uh, the cost of living is just so reasonable here compared to in the United States, I mean... Pat: Especially the [00:03:00] northeast United States, big cities. Pops: Big cities are very... The prices are expensive there. Um, it's just more expensive to live. You have to have a car here, here you can live life easier. Uh, it's less stressful. There's just not the stress of big city living or, uh, even if you don't live in big cities, there's just that stress of living in a, a major market that, uh, you just don't have here. It's just a much calmer, easier lifestyle. Pat: Yeah. And when, and we're talking about living specifically in Southern Spain. I mean, obviously the bigger cities here would be, you know, Madrid, Barcelona, they'd still have the same, same pace of life as... Pops: As other big cities, but I mean, I do think Madrid has a unique lifestyle of its own. I haven't lived there yet. I would like to, you know, possibly one day go there. But it has a more relaxed style than I would say cities, bigger cities in the US. But yeah, here is definitely a much calmer, easier kinda life than... Pat: Yeah. It's a, it's a coastal beach town. Pops: Right. Pat: Um, [00:04:00] very touristy, right? Pops: Yeah. A lot of Brits, a lot of Irish, different groups. All, all, uh, Scandinavian group, it's, it's a mix. Even Spanish tourists, there's a lot of people from the north of Spain that come down here. Quite a lot. Pat: Yeah. The south of Spain is a big tourist destination for... Pops: Absolutely. Pat: Really everywhere in the world. I mean, specifically from Europe, just for the proximity, right? Pops: Mm-hmm. Pat: But even Asia or, you know, from the States or North America, it's, you know, uh, uh, a big vacation destination, no? Pops: Yes, it is. It's, uh, you just, I mean, of course, when Covid... Pat: And we can understand why. Pops: Yeah. We, we really can, you can, you can understand after I'd been here, I'd been here about five years ago, I visited with my girlfriend. Say five years ago and then, you know, just kind of, uh, knew I could live here immediately. Even just spending a week here. Pat: Yeah, absolutely. And what were you gonna say about, about Covid? Cause we, we came, what, just... Pops: We came right before Covid... Pat: A few months, no? Pops: Yeah, about six, maybe five, six months I think maybe about [00:05:00] Covid. And that was one of the other reasons why I moved here, was to travel around Europe. I thought, you know, I'd have all of this time to hit all the places I didn't have time to visit, when I was, uh, working. So, uh, but the, that plan kind of changed, but, uh, living here is not a bad penalty. Pat: No. I, I mean, that was, that was unfortunate. But everyone around the world had to suffer, so we don't wanna. You know, act like we went through anything, overall we had it pretty easy. And like you said, there's worse places to... Pops: There is much worse than, uh, than, uh, Torremolinos, uh, Spain. Pat: Absolutely. Pops: So, yeah, it was good. But, but overall the lifestyle here, uh, is very relaxed, getting back to that, I mean, we don't, I don't own a car. You don't own a car, you really don't need one here. Uh.. Pat: Can't afford one. Pops: Can't afford one... Well, even if you could afford one, you really wouldn't want to because the parking.... parking is tough, parking is tough here. Pat: Well, especially Yeah. Now, since we're, this first episode is coming to you mid August, right? Pops: Right. Pat: So this is the major [00:06:00] tourist season. Which, you know, walking around here, given the way we look, the way we talk, everyone just assumes we're, we're tourists. Even though we've lived here for, for three years, and it's funny, after three years, you know, you start to get a little... after a few months of this high tourist season, you start to get a little agitated with tourists. You know, you realize you're basically one of them. Pops: You're one of them. Pat: You're waiting for the off season, but you know. Pops: Yeah, yeah. I was walking on the, what they call the Paseo down by the beach. The, uh, the boardwalk, I guess we call it a boardwalk. Pat: The beach front. Pops: Yeah, beach front. Beachfront walkway. But, uh, yeah, it's just packed with tourists right now, and I was, I was, Uh, last night to someone that, uh, you know, boy, I can't wait for these tourists to get outta here. Pat: Right. Pops: And make it easier to walk, which is, and is kinda crazy. Pat: I think it's a little bit of a grass is always greener. Pops: Yeah. Pat: Sort of thing. Because, you know, I think when we get into the fall, the winter, it gets a little colder and it starts to feel a little dead around here. Then you kind of are, you miss that summer, you'd take all the tourism back. Pops: Mm-hmm. Pat: But you know, [00:07:00] during the summer you're waiting for the off season. So it's just, you know, you gotta, you gotta learn to be happy with, with every season. Pops: Yeah. And take the good with the bad, in other words. So. Yeah. Pat: Yeah. So what's one thing you would say maybe that, um, you really have grown to appreciate either about, about the States or about Spain just because, you know, now you've lived in both and... Pops: Well, I think it's a, it's a two edged thing here. We talked about it a little bit just a few minutes ago. It's the pace of life here, but, uh... Pat: And that's a, that's a positive? Pops: That's a real positive. Pat: Yeah. Pops: The pace of life here is, uh, just so easy going. Uh, it's just a, it's just a very easy life. There is very little stress, uh... Pat: And you're speaking as a retiree, specifically. There are, you know... Pops: There are probably stressful parts to living here, but, uh, right now as a retiree, there's very minimal stress. Uh, I mean, even when you go out to eat and things like that, you know, you can sit at a restaurant for several hours, have a glass of wine, a beer, eat your meal and sit there [00:08:00] for long periods of time. I think there's a term they call it, what is the term? Pat: Sobremesa they call it. Pops: Oh, yes. Pat: But that's something we've both come to really appreciate, no? Pops: Yeah. We, you really don't, uh, I didn't realize how much I... that I was getting used to that, or I've gotten used to that activity until you return to the States. Pat: Yeah. Pops: And then you see what the difference is and how, you know... Pat: You see in, in some ways, yeah. I think it, it's certainly cultural, but maybe a lot of the, especially eating out at restaurants. I think in the, in the States, they're a little bit more business minded. Pops: Mm-hmm. Pat: They're working off of table turnover. Pops: Right. Pat: They, and they're, you know, a lot, the waitstaff.. it's different. The waitstaff there is, is you know, they get paid a lot, heavily based on tips. Pops: Right. Pat: You know, which is different. A lot of the waiters here are salaried... Pops: Salaried, yeah, that's right. Pat: So, you know, turning over tables, getting new people in isn't as important to a waiter here as it is in the states, because, you know, in this, in, in America they might think of it as, you know, losing income. Pops: Right, yeah. Pat: But no, that's something we've, we've talked [00:09:00] about in our last trip. We went back to Florida and we were at a restaurant and we just felt like we were getting forced out the door at a certain point. Pops: It almost felt like, you know, they were pushing us out the door and then we kind of had to realize, stop and step back. No, this is... Pat: That's just the way it is. Pops: This is their business model. It's the way they.... they, they handle their business and we've just fallen out of touch with that kind of reality. Pat: Absolutely. Pops: We've been here for so long. Pat: Yeah. It's something, and then we kind of snapped back into it and said, no, this is the way it always was, we just didn't... Pops: We didn't care. Pat: Yeah. It didn't matter. It was just you, you ate your meal, you maybe had dessert and you left. Pops: Mm-hmm. Pat: Right? Pops: Right. Pat: There wasn't this sort of idea of, of hanging around for a while and, you know, enjoying your time with friends, maybe having a few drinks, but we've both come, come to love it. Pops: Oh gosh. It's, it's one, one of the best parts. Pat: It's almost essential now. You know, if you get up and leave after a meal, I, I think either I offended you or you know... Pops: Yeah, I didn't have a good meal or whatever. I don't know you. The meal stunk or something. But you know, I gotta tell you [00:10:00] that, that that's one thing about the food quality here and things like that, that uh, you know, since we're right on the ocean, the seafood, uh, that come, that you get, that you get on a daily basis, if that's your thing... Pat: it's fresh stuff. Pops: It's fresh, it's, you know, it is very, very fresh. We were at a, uh, remember the place we were at, uh, that had the uh, oysters. Pat: Yeah. Pops: Oh my gosh. Pat: Yeah. We both love shellfish, so... Pops: The shellfish, that place. And you, you made a comment that day about it tastes like you're eating the ocean almost. It was so fresh. Pat: Yeah. Pops: That was like... Pat: It's right here in the center of town where we live, but I mean, maybe we'll give them promotion later if they, you know, if we get a little kickback, but we're not gonna mention their name for now. Pops: We're not gonna mention the name now, no names for right now. If you, if you're really nice to us on email, maybe we'll tell you who it is... Pat: We'll consider it. Pops: We'll consider it. Pat: Um, so what would you say, I mean, obviously we're both a little biased, you know, being born in the States and, but overall food here versus food in the states, uh, you know, I'm not gonna say which one you [00:11:00] think is better. They're just different. Pops: They're just different styles. They're different styles. They're different amounts. They're diff... you know, I mean, that's one of the things that is always, the quantity of food in, in that you get in the States. And when you order a basic meal... Pat: You're talking out at a restaurant. Pops: At a restaurant. Pat: Ordering a meal... Pops: And ordering a meal is very... a large portion. It generally is a very large portion, which... Pat: Usually, you usually end up taking something home. Pops: Yeah. Pat: Right. Pops: You usually always have a, you know what we call a doggy bag. Pat: Right. Pops: You know, a doggy bag. So you take something home with you. Pat: I think they call it something different in the UK and all around... I think that's specifically an American phrase. Pops: That is? Pat: I think so. Yeah. Pops: Yeah. Pat: But yeah, basically a take, take away bag. Pops: Take away bag. Pat: Take home, yeah. Pops: Take home, take home box or whatever. So yeah, but generally you'd, the portions are so big, you're taking part of your meal home cuz you just can't eat at all. So, uh, but here, you know, the whole tapa of culture, which, you know, I most... Pat: Yeah, small plates. Pops: Small plates, small dishes. You know, here it's very common to have restaurants that do a tapa and a cana, a small beer for say [00:12:00] 2.50, 3.50, right? I mean, somewhere in that range. I mean, it's not, it's not very expensive. Pat: Very cheap. And it's, it's nice, you know, well, relatively cheap coming from the States or you know, from other countries. Pops: Yeah. Pat: But, uh, no, it's cheap, and it's also nice because then you sort of, you can, you know, eat as you please until you get full. You don't have to order a giant meal and, you know, end up taking it home and maybe eating it later that night even though you don't want to, or you know. Pops: Right. Yeah. Pat: But, uh, it's nice. It lets you, it's, it lets you control how much you eat a little bit better, no? Pops: Yeah. And, and the other thing I like about it a lot is that you can, the, you can do. Many different types of things. Pat: Yeah. Pops: That, uh... Pat: You can have a nice variety. Pops: You can have a nice variety of, you know what, hot, cold, uh, seafood, pork, whatever, you can kind of mix, mix it up and have different tastes. Uh... Pat: Yeah. And there's sort of, and it's, there's sort of that idea of, of sharing too. Pops: Yeah. Pat: Where all, it's like a communal... Pops: It's a communal plate. Pat: You know, I go out with you and we're, we're eating the same things, so we can have a [00:13:00] variety and we can both have, you know... Pops: Yeah. Pat: Some of the same stuff, right? Pops: Yeah. Maybe that's a good thing for another episode is, you know, the restaurants we like here. Maybe, maybe we can... Pat: We'll work on some promotion later. Pops: When, we can get some, you know, get some more traction here. Pat: Yeah. So overall you'd say what to somebody saying, I, I, I'm thinking about moving to Spain, either as a retiree, as a younger person? Is your... Pops: I would say it, it, it kind of, it cuts across to all age groups. I think, you know, if you're a, um, digital nomad or somebody that works on the works online a lot... Pat: Yeah. Pops: I think this is a great place for you because you can, you can work, you know, generally those jobs or you, you work your schedule, you can work when you want to, so you'd have the ability to go to the beach if you want to, go to a restaurant. Heck, I've seen people actually work, do their jobs at restaurants here and things like that. You know, they're working outside. You know, they're banging away on a, a keyboard or they're talking to someone. Pat: Oh, sure, yeah, yeah. They're actually, [00:14:00] Pops: They're actually doing their work... Pat: Working from a remotely or whatever. Pops: Yeah, they're working from a restaurant or whatever. Uh, so I've seen people, I see retirees. I, I think it's good for any age group, any... Pat: Yeah, any demographic, any age group. Pops: If you enjoy this kind of a relaxed lifestyle... the one thing I will say that is something that's a little harder to get used to is that... the intensity for... um, to get things done. There's not an immediate sense of urgency. Pat: Mm-hmm. Pops: And that's one of the things that probably was the hardest... Pat: Adjustment. Pops: Adjustment for me to make. There wasn't the sense of urgency that I had living in United States. Pat: Yeah and I think may... maybe just to clarify that, like. So you gotta take the good with the bad, you're saying... Pops: Mm-hmm. Pat: Given this relaxed sort of culture, lifestyle, when you maybe go to a business or wherever and you just, you're in a rush, you wanna get something done... Pops: Right. Pat: You know, you got to, you gotta expect a little bit of wait time. Pops: Well wait time, you just gotta... Pat: Or push back, whatever it might be. Pops: Push [00:15:00] back or whatever. Or there's the, uh... Pat: But overall... Pops: Siesta, siesta mentality in, in the middle of the day. You know, where businesses... Pat: Yeah, that was a foreign concept for us, yeah. Pops: Yeah. It was something that we weren't really used to when, like, if you wanted to go to a hardware store or something, you know, between say two and five or two and six, it's closed. Pat: Right. Pops: So you gotta readjust your schedule. Pat: Yeah. Even three years later, living here, I, I still forget because it just seems so unnatural to us, but, It's something, I mean, it's a small price to pay, I think. Right. Overall the... Pops: I mean, when you're going to the hardware store to get a light bulb, it's not a life emergency so... Pat: Yeah, well hopefully not.. Pops: You , yeah, you can kind of, you can go with the flow, so you know, you kind of gotta be, it's just sometimes you go out there, you just kind of forget and you go, wow, what, you know, I just kind of forgot that this is the way life is here so... Pat: Sure. Pops: Yeah. Pat: But I think I agree overall, I think given, you know, the weather, the cost of living, the pace of life, it's just, you know, I think we both completely recommend it as a place to come, you know, either as a tourist or to live, right? Pops: Yes, absolutely. Pat: Yeah. Pops: As, as a [00:16:00] tourist. Uh, no doubt about it. You, there's, there's just so much to do here. Pat: So much to see. Pops: Malaga's close by. Marbella's close by, uh, Gibraltar is an hour or so away, let's say, Sevilla is not far. Ronda... there's just so many places you can go and see that are unique and different. Um, that I, yeah, I would highly recommend it. And then living here, I mean, I think you, I, you know, I don't own a house, but I think the house prices here, if you were looking to do something like that are pretty reasonable, so... Pat: Yeah. Pops: Yeah. Pat: I think everything's quite reasonable. Pops: Yeah, so, yeah. Pat: I think we both give it two thumbs up. Pops: Yes. Pat: As they say, no? Pops: Absolutely. Pat: Big recommendation. Pops: I'd give, I'd give it a very strong recommendation. Pat: All right. So let, let's move on to the, another part of the show where at the end, at the end of our episodes, we're going to, um, talk about some idioms or some slang and, and sort of try to use them in a, in a role play scenario to, to give our listeners a feel of, you know, how they'd hear 'em in normal conversation. Pops: Oh, sounds good. Yeah. Pat: So the [00:17:00] title of today's episode was Breaking the Ice. Pops: Ah, yes. That's where it came from. Pat: It's only fitting that the first idiom is break the ice. Pops: Oh... Pat: So what, what would you say that means, to break the ice? Pops: I would say it means getting to know somebody. You're trying to introduce yourself, or you're trying to become more familiar with somebody, you don't really know them. Pat: Right. Meeting someone for the first time. Pops: Right. Pat: Introduction. Yeah. Pops: Mm-hmm. Pat: So let's, let's, let's pretend we're at a bar. I see a cute girl or, or maybe cute boy, depending on my persuasion or, you know, . Nowadays we don't know. Pops: We don't know. Don't judge. Pat: So, and I come over to you as my friend and I say, oh man, I really, I really think that girl's attractive down there. Pops: Mm-hmm. Pat: Um, what do you think I? What do you think I should do? How, how should I approach her? I'm kind of, I'm hesitating here. Pops: How, how do you wanna break the ice? How do you want to Oh... Pat: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pops: Okay. Well, uh, that might be as when, when you use that... Pat: So you think I should just go, go for it. Pops: I think you, I think the direct approach, [00:18:00] don't be, don't be too direct. Add a little humor to it. Pat: Okay. Pops: You know, add a little humor, a little humor kind of breaks the ice, the tension. Kind of gives you a little bit better, you know, it gives... Pat: A little bit better rapport. Pops: It gives you a little rapport, little communication. Pat: I need all the help I can get. Pops: No, I'm sure you do quite well. Pat: So yeah, that's basically it, right? Pops: Yeah. Pat: Trying to... Pops: Trying to get to know someone, trying to, you know, uh, basically just make them feel relaxed so you can start up a conversation. Right. Pat: So how common, scale of one to 10, would you say the idiom is? One being you almost never hear it, ten being you hear it... once a day? Pops: Uh, not a ten, but somewhere five, six maybe. Maybe seven, but I'd say six. Pat: I'd say highest, six. Yeah. Pops: Six. I would say it goes six. Pat: Yeah. You hear it only in that specific situation, trying to meet someone for the first time. Pops: Just meeting someone, yeah. Pat: Yeah. All right, so let's move on to the second one. Up in the air. Pops: Oh... Pat: Now what does that mean? Pops: Up in the air. It means [00:19:00] you're undecided, I believe, is what it means. You're kind of undecided, you're not sure. Pat: Oh, thankfully, you know what it means. Pops: I'm up in the air about a lot of things. Pat: Yeah, that's true. That's true. So yeah, yeah. It means you're undecided, right? Pops: Mm-hmm, yeah. Pat: You're, you're weighing your options maybe. Pops: Right. Right. Yeah. I'm just kind of, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm, I may have all the facts, and, but I just haven't come down once... Pat: You haven't made a decision, right? Pops: I haven't made a decision. Yeah. Pat: So let's use that same scenario. Pops: Mm-hmm. Pat: Um, and, or no, let's use a different scenario, let's say... let's say we both got invited to a party tonight, right? Pops: Ah, yeah. Pat: And maybe, you know, you're a busy English teacher, right? You're teaching a lot. Pops: Oh, yes. Pat: And maybe I, you know, I'm, I'm not as busy. Pops: Mm-hmm. Pat: So I'm, I know I'm going and I come up to you and I say, Hey, pops, um, you know, what do you think about, uh, Maria's party tonight? You think you're gonna go? Pops: Hey, I'd love to go, but I'm, I'm still up in the air about it. I, I gotta check my schedule man. Pat: Ah, okay, okay. So you're, uh, you're still trying to work it out? Whether you can get there. Pops: I'm trying to work [00:20:00] it out. If I can cancel my schedule, if I can cancel my appointment, whatever, if I can, you know, might be able to go if I can't, so... Pat: There'll be beer. Pops: Oh boy. I'm going, I'm going. Pat: That was a quick change. Pops: Yeah, just, I gotta get there now. Pat: No longer up in the air. Pops: Free beer, go anywhere. Pat: Okay. . So how, how common would you say that one is? Scale of one to 10. Pops: Oh gosh. Up in the air. May... maybe, uh, seven? Maybe, you think? Think a seven. Pat: I think it's a little bit more common than break the ice. Pops: Yeah, break the ice. Pat: You know. Pops: I think break the ice is probably, maybe a little bit older term, you know, older... Pat: Yeah, I think it's just so specific. Pops: Yeah. Pat: Up in the air is, you know, whenever you just don't know. Pops: You don't know. Pat: In general. Pops: Yeah. Kind of... Pat: Yeah. I'm up in the air, right? Pops: It could be good for a lot of different situations. Yeah. Pat: Yeah. So let's move on to the last one, which is to beat around the bush. Pops: Ah... Pat: So, now what would you say that means? Pops: Well, it's kind of, it's, what I would say it means is when you don't wanna directly tell somebody, generally something that isn't good news. I, I would guess... Pat: In general. Pops: I'd kind of say it's, you know... Pat: Usually when [00:21:00] you're uncomfortable, right? You're just... Pops: You're uncomfortable. Pat: Somebody's asking you... Pops: You're uncomfortable being blunt, you know, sometimes you, you know, you know, sometimes I'm accused of maybe being too blunt, so I, you know, the opposite of that. But... Pat: Yeah. Pops: Beating around the bush would be some... you don't really want to tell, you know, uh, somebody, Hey, you, you... Pat: Well, let's, let's, let's role play. Let's take that, that first scenario we used where, you know, let's say I, I went up, I broke the ice with that girl, and, and, but she didn't, she wasn't too interested in me. Pops: Mm-hmm. Pat: And let's say you know her. Pops: Mm-hmm. Pat: And I came up to you later in the week and I said, hey Pops, uh, you know, I, I really struck out with, uh, with Sophia, you know, I, I don't know. I'm hoping maybe she likes me a little bit. What do you think? Pops: Well, you know, uh, I, I think she, she could like you. I'm not really a hundred... Pat: Don't beat around the bush. Pops: Oh... Pat: Give it to me straight. Pops: Well, honestly, she told me she's not into you, man. Pat: Oh, well, at least I got Maria's party. I'm gonna get drunk tonight. Pops: Oh boy. You [00:22:00] got something to look forward to then. That's good. Pat: So how, how common is this one, would you say? Pops: Oh gosh. Maybe a five, I guess. Five, six? Pat: Yeah. Pops: Maybe a five. I'd say more a five-ish. What do you think? Pat: Yeah, I think it's right around there. You know, I... yeah, I think they're all in the same ballpark. Pops: Yeah. Pat: Um, that's another one. Pops: Yeah. Pat: Which means they're all around... Pops: Around the same. Pat: Maybe we'll explain that one in a later episode. Pops: We'll come back to that one. Pat: Yeah. Pops: Yeah, alright Pat: But no, I, I'd agree. I think it's, they're, they're all right around there. Five, six, seven. Pops: Mm-hmm. You hear 'em, you may just... it's not an everyday type of term that you would hear out there in English conversation I think. So, you'd hear 'em, but not... Pat: Well, some of 'em I, some of 'em I think are. Pops: Yeah. Pat: Right. Break the ice, I think actually is a little less common. Pops: Yeah. Pat: Right. Pops: Mm-hmm. Okay. Pat: Up in the air, beat around the bush... Pops: Yeah.. Pat: But anyway, so, okay, that was today's idioms. Um, we want to thank everyone for listening to our inaugural episode. Pops: Oh, yes. We really appreciate you listening and hopefully you, you get something out of this and, uh, you, you know, uh, once we give [00:23:00] your email address, you can let us know of things you would like us to talk about. Pat: Well, yeah. So let's give some, some information then. So, um, in the future we'll be rolling out our website, patandpops.com. Which is basically gonna be a, a platform for all things English learning. Um, we're eventually going to be having our podcasts available there, um, as well as the... our, our transcripts to text in case you wanna follow along. Um, we'll be offering everything for free. For now, you can go ahead and email us at info@patandpops.com. That's I-N-F-O @patandpops.com. Go ahead and email us with any, any comments, any suggestions. If you, there's something you'd like us to talk about, please send it. Um, and for now we'll be able to send you our, our transcriptions there. And, I think that's about it, no? Pops: Yeah. I think we're, we're wrapping up here. It's time for us to go, uh, go hit the sunshine or the bar or something. Pat: Something, right? Pops: Yeah. So, time to do [00:24:00] something fun. Pat: That's usually our, our afternoon activities. Pops: Yeah. Pat: All right. We wanna thank you all for, for listening. Pops: Yeah, thanks a lot guys. Pat: Hope you enjoyed and we'll uh, catch you on the next one. Pops: All right. Pat: All right. Pops: Take care. Pat: Bye. Pops: Bye.